Tatewinorca 1821-1851

[mcintosh]

I am looking for information/relatives. I am the great, great, great granddaughter of Francois DuMarce and Tatewinorca. I am basing this information on a family tree drawn by Paul Brill probably around 1916. It shows that their daughter Madeline married Magloire Robidoux. Their daughter Isabelle married William B. McIntosh and my grandfather was their son, William O. McIntosh. Someone else from the Robidoux line was on the board a few years ago but in reading those messages it appears that there is still confusion concerning the DuMarce family (families), which I would like to figure out. The tree shows that in the early 1900s the living members of the family who carried the name DuMarce and were descendant from Francois and Tatewinorca were as follows:

Frank DuMarce age 48
Henry DuMarce age 21
James DuMarce age 36
Louis DuMarce age 32
Baptiste DuMarce age 44
Mathilda A. DuMarce age 5
Samuel DuMarce age 32
Mabel DuMarce age 34
Hazen DuMarce age 30
Julia DuMarce Quinn age 28
Harry DuMarce age 25
Herman DuMarce age 23
Hastings or Wilburn DuMarce age 21
Evelyn DuMarce age 18

There were other descendants as well, but these are the ones with the last name DuMarce. If anyone has any additional history on this family please let me know. There seems to be a lot of incorrect information floating around and I would just like to sort it out.
Thank you.

[hermin1]

McIntosh:welcome to the website.
I wouild very much appreciate it if you would send me a copy of this Family Tree that you say Paul Brill had made up. my Emailis [e-mail]
Tatewinorca was the daughter of Wateri and Wakankanna. she died 1851 at age of @30yrs.
Her husbandwas Francoise Dumarcewho died @1865/66
their children:
1. Rosalie
2. Frank
3. Madeline
4. Alexis
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Rosalie:died @1911,Age @75
Married 2x:
1. Non-Indian died long ago
2. Hyacinth Coutourier died 1911
their children:mary, William,Genevieve, Alice.Lanoire,Justine,Jannette,Eliza, and Agnes.
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frank dumarce or Sasawasse died 1863.
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Madeline(Madeliene)d died Dec.28m 1871
her spouse: Magliore Rubidoux died April,1919
their children:
Noah, Oliver, Lena,mary, Magliore(jr.),Alex, clement, Rosaline, Nelson,elizabeth, and Mike.
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Alexis Dumarce d. Dec 1911 Age 60
marriede 2x:
1. Marpiyaskanwin died before Allotments,age 50.
children: Caske/Solomon Dumarce, Frank Dumarce, William Dumarce-husbandof Anna?.
Williamand Anna had 12 children: 4 died infancy.Sixotherw died grownups.
2. Susan Skyman-Devils lake Sioux,died 1914,nochildren.
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John BaptisteDuMarce(Dumarce) did June 10,1900, age @53
Married 3X:
1.Mazasnawin and John Bte.separated before Allotments.her sister was JohnBaptistes'ssecond wife.
children: baptiste Dumarce(jr.),and mary Dumarce.
2. Sieto or Julia Max. They separted before Allotment.
chiildren:
H enry who wed Minnie tateyuhamani and fathered Mathilda Dumarce.
Mabel
Hazen dumarce
Julia dumarce-w/o ?Quinn
3. Tioskatewin aka Lydia Olivia Frenier(d/0 August or Augustin Frenier and Josephine Stay)
children: Harry, Herman,H.astings or Wilbur, Son died in childhood, and Evelyn.
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I have an Elizabeth Rubidoux w/o William McIntosh. their children were Emery(dec'd),Laura, Ruth-w/o ?Rebo, William O. and Maurice(dec'd).
ref. notes from Probate of David Shooter aka Mazawakute who died Sept. 3, 1907(BIA Records). He was s/o Ogosta and Tatoactka-both dec'd. I believe his probate was posted here on Oyate last year.

It would help me if you would let me know what and whom the incorrect information that is 'floating"around is in reference to.
The Dumarce and Frenier lines connect to numerous other families for which I have information on.


John Baptiste

[Vicky]

I can help you with early Sisseton DuMarce's. Let me know if you need info on any of the following-
Baptiste Jr. and family: Isabella, Winona, Hepanna
John Baptiste and family: Lydia (Frenier), Harry, Human
Lucy Dumarce m. Spencer LaCroix
Peter DuMarce and family: Sophia
Samuel DuMarce
William DuMarce

[hermin1]

vicky: do you have anything on John Dumarce?He was from sisseton.

[mcintosh]

Hermin1: Thank you for replying. I sent an e-mail to you with attachments. Please let me know if you have any problems with them. Concerning the "incorrect information," I am referring to several posts that I saw which seem to be confusing the DuMarce's with other families with similar names. In addition there was a reference to us being related to Sleepy Eye. From other information I have read that does not appear to be the case.

I think in several cases you tried to clarify and correct some of the information that had been posted by others. I am still confused about the Prescott adoption issue and whether or not that is connected to my line.

The William O. McIntosh you mention in your list is my grandfather. His mother went by Isabelle, Elizabeth and Mary (although she had a sister named Mary). My grandfather was born in Sleepy Eye in 1888. He attended Morris, Pipestone and Hampton. He appears in the U.S. Census while at Morris as Chippewa, but Hampton listed him as Sisseton and that is what he always told my father.

I did find the 1870 census and that shows Francois as living with "Aliscis Demerse" in Brown County. Other names match as well including Soloman and Josephine. Do you know where the 1865/66 date come from?

Any additional information is appreciated. Thank you.

[Vicky]

hermin1- John Baptiste DuMarce Sr. appears on the Elrod Roll with his wife Lydia (Frenier) and sons Harry and Human (Hazen).
In Max Renville's Indian Land Ownership book there is an entry for John Baptiste Sr- husband of Sarah LaBlanc, Julia LaBlanc and Lydia Frenier. Father of John Baptiste Jr, Harry, Hazen, Mabel and Herman.
There is an entry for Lydia- daughter of Augustus Frenier.
I find nothing for him prior to 1891.

[hermin1]

vicky: not to worry.I have the information Augustin or Augustus or August Frenier,and John Baptiste Dumarce prior to 1891.
lisa: the date 1865/66 came from Brrill's Tree that you sent me a copy of.
but here is some information on the list you posted above:

1910 Sisseton Ind.Census :
Frank Dumarce is listed with his wife Evalina, and sons Aloyesious(sp) age 12,and dau. Celina age 8.

Samuel dumarce was s/o J. Batiste and Julia LaBlanc-Max. His spouse was Emma Redday. Their children were Lucy,w/o 1)charles LaCroix and when he died, she married his brother spencer laCroix.vicky has the info on her.

Hastings or Wilbur Dumarce(he died in 1934,SD) was married sev. times:
Nancy Maka-wed and div.by Ind.custom in 1915 or 16. children: Moses and Virginia(she died 1915 very young).
Eliza Stand- wed 1915 and div.by IC 1916. children: Sydney died infancy bef. 1916.
Lizzie Long- wed 1916 legally, div. by court Decree. she died in 1980 MN. children: Raymond died 1929,Clarice was w/o Virgil White(their sons were Ernest and Virgil Jr. Virgil jr.still lives at sisseton.He and I went to same grade school in Sioux city. he was living with his grandmother then) and Mitchell. Mitchell's wife was Gertrude Esau. children were: Raymond, Evelyn A., Melvina D. Wolf, Mitchell,Jr., Elnora, and DuWayne.

Mitchell,Sr., also had a dau. named Gladys ? out of wedlock with a Winnebago woman. The Dau. married and had a son, Lorne Fatland, who lives at Sisseton.

spouse 4 for Hastings was Emma Woods. Wed bef.1920 and divorced bef.1920. child:died infancy.
wife #5: Lola Robinson(Non-Indian).Wed legally 1921, and no divorce.. child: Harold Dumarce was still living when Hastings Estate was probated. Hastings died in 1924, not1934.My error(hermin1)
(Ref.Notes from Hastings or Wilbur Dumarce heirship Report).

Hazen dumarce: born@1884 SD.Wed twice:
1. Hattie Oneroad.Hattie died in 1927. children: John C. b. @1907/08, Peter b. @1911/12,, Ruben b.@ 1915/16, Melvin b. @1917 /18.
(Ref. 1920 US Census Dry wood lake, Roberts,SD)
2. Lizzie Long-Dumarce(see above). No children.
(Lizzie Long-Dumarce HershipReport Notes).

Julia Dumarce-Quinn: 1932 Sisseton Ind.census lists her with spouse David Redthunder and sons Norman and Elmer.

Henry Dumarce was first married to Sarah Robinson(d/ o Tom Robinson and Mary Jane(Wagiwin)Redwing). their children: Edward, Martha ,and Celeste. Before or after his marriage to Minnie, he was married to Anna Redday. they wed in 1899 S.Dak.

Harry Dumarce was wed 2x:
1. Ella Redday. Wed 19 May 1916 Roberts,SD
2.Mary Redthunder. Wed 27 Jul. 1919 Roberts,SD

I am guessing that yes, Francoise Dumarce was married to the Keehei woman and they had a son,Louis Dumarce. I believe that he may have left the woman before or after she gave birth. The problem is that my source on this information could not confirm by documentation that Francois died before 1851. She may have given their son to her sister Mary Keehei and her husband Philander Prescott to raise, before she died.
the other possible answer is that traders often had several wives living with them at the same time.

[DawnDay]

Aug 19, 2009 16:44:44 GMT -5 hermin1 said:

vicky: not to worry.I havethe information Augustin or Augustus or August Frenier,and John Baptiste Dumarce prior to 1891.
lisa: the date 1865/66 came from Brrill's Tree that you sent me a copy of.
but here is some information on the list you posted above:

1910 sisseton Ind.Census :
Frank Dumarce is listed with his wife Evalina, and sons Aloyesious(sp) age 12,and dau. Celina age 8.

Samuel dumarce was s/o J. Batisteand Julia LaBlanc-Max. His spouse was Emma Redday. Their children were Lucy,w/o 1)charles LaCroix and when he died, she married his brother spencer laCroix.vicky has the info on her.

Hastings or Wilbur Dumarce(he died in 1934,SD) was married sev. times:
Nancy Maka-wed and div.by Ind.custom in 1915 or 16. children: Moses andVvirginia(she died 1915 very young).
Eliza Stand- wed 1915 and div.by IC 1916. children: Sydney died infancy bef. 1916.
Lizzie Long- wed 1916 legally, div. by court Decree. she died in 1980 MN. children: Raymond died 1929,Clarice was w/o Virgil White(their sons were Ernest and Virgil Jr. Virgil jr.still lives at sisseton.He and I went to same grade school in Sioux city. he was living with his grandmother then) and Mitchell.Mitchell's wife was Gertrude Esau. childrenwere: Raymond, Evelyn A.,Melvina D. Wolf,Mitchell,Jr.,Elnora,and DuWayne.

Mitchell,Sr., also had a dau. named Gladys ? out of wedlock with a Winnebag owoman. The Dau. married and had a son, Lorne Fatland, who lives at Sisseton.

spouse 4 for Hastings was Emma Woods. Wed bef.1920 and div.bef.1920. child:diedinfancy.
wife #5: Lola robinson(Non-Indian).Wed legally 1921, and no divorce.. child:Harold Dumarce was still living when Hastinngs Estate was probated.
(Ref.Notes from Hastings or Wilbur Dumarce heirship Report).

Hazen dumarce: born@1884 SD.Wed twice:
1. Hattie ?. children: John C. b. @1907/08, Peter b. @1911/12,, Ruben b.@ 1915/16, Melvin b. @1917 /18.
(Ref. 1920 US Census Dry wood lake, Roberts,SD)
2. Lizzie Long-Dumarce(see above). No children.
(lizzie Long-Dumarce HershipReport Notes).
Julia Dumarce-Quinn: 1932 sisseton Ind.census lists her with spouse David Redthunder and sons Norman and Elmer.

Henry Dumarce was first married to Sarah Robinson(d/ o Tom robinson and mary Jane(Wagiwin)Redwing. their children: Edward, Martha ,and Celeste. Before or after his marriage to Minnie, he was married to Anna Redday. they wed in 1899 S.Dak.

Harry Dumarce was wed 2x:
1. Ella Redday. Wed 19 May 1916 Roberts,SD
2.Mary Redthunder. Wed 27 Jul. 1919 Roberts,SD

I am guessing that yes Francoise Dumarce was married to the Keehei woman and they had a son,Louis Dumarce. I believe that he may have left the woman before or after she gave birth. The problem is that my source on this information could not confirm by documentation that Francois died before 1851. She may have given their son to her sister Mary Keehei and her husband Philander Prescott to raise, before she died.
the ther possible nswer s that traders often had several wives living with them at the same time.

HERMIN,

I AM IN HOPES THAT THIS ELLA REDDAY IS MY GR. GRANDMA, THAT WAS 1ST WIFE OF HARRY DUMARCE MARRIED 1916, ROBERTS, SD.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS BIT OF INFORMATION, AS I LOST WHAT HAPPENED TO HER AFTER 1888.

AS JAZZDOG SAID, THANK ALL OF YOU WHO DILIGENTLY LOOK UP AND POST TO OYATE FOR WE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT AS KNOWLEDGEABLE IN HUNTING UP INFORMATION. AND MOST OF ALL FOR SHARING IT WITH ALL OF US.

GOD BLESS & THANK YOU AGAIN,

DAWNDAY

[hermin1]

DawnDay I already have checked her out and she is not your ancestor.

[hermin1]

lisa: Let me know if you need the baptismal dates on your Dumarces.

[mcintosh]

Hermin1: Any information is appreciated. The baptismal dates would be great.

[hermin1]

Hopey dokey McIntosh:
Alexis Rocquet|Dumarce:bapt. 15 Jul 1847.parents:Francois Dumarce and Tate, Atlac Qui Parle ,MN. by Fr. A.Ravoux
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Francois Rocquet Dumarce
Born; 12 May, 1842; Bapt. 1842 Mendota
by Fr. A. Ravoux
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marriage
Francois Dumarce age 41 yrs
bride: A Sioux woman whowas baptized- Age 27 yrs.
Date: Sept.8, 1842
Fr. A. Ravoux
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Fr. A. Ravoux performedamarriage for:
Francois Xavier dit rocquet Age 41
wife: __Tate, Sisseton Sioux Age 28
St.Francois Xavier Mission at Chaska.
Date: 8 Sept., 1842
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rosalie dumarce
born 1837/1838
Bapt. 6 Feb.a842 , Chaska,MN
spouse:Hyacinth Coutourier
Wed:166 jul. 1857 Eight Mile Creek.
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Magdeline(sp) Dumarce( this is Madeleine dumarce)
b. 11 mar. 1841
bapt. 6 Feb. 1842 Chaska,MN
wed: 16 Jul.1857 eight Mile Creek.
spouse: magoire Robidoux
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Jean Baptiste Dumarce
b. Mar. 9, 1847
bap. 19 Aug. , 1850 St. Paul and St. Pierre church.

Ref. Minn.Geneal. Journ. 14: pp. 1319- 1324.

these are all I have in my records.
Hopes this helps.
According to an author re. French names, the term "dit Pacquet" means that the mother's name was 'Pacquet". I have to install my French dictionary so I can find the other meaning of Pacquet.
Lisa:alsocheck the 1850 Minnesota territorial census. You will find a whole slew of Demarces.
type intogoogle: 1850 Minnesota Territorial Census. thereisan indextothis whichis alphabetized.

[wacintanka]

MCINTOSH: thank so much for the probate report

HERMIN : Do you know how to access probate reports and baptismal reports?

Here is info i have on descendents of Oliver Robidoux (son of Madeline Dumarce).

Francois Dumarce and Tatewinorca had Madeline Dumarce who married Magloire Robideaux
who had Oliver Robidoux who married Francis Bellenger (daughter of White Earth Chippewa-
Shayshaywegeshig) who had William Robideau who married Anna Jane Jetty (granddaughter
of WahpetonSioux -Hunkawin) who had Loretta Robideau (my grandmother) and Alvina Robideau (mother of Leonard Peltier) and William Robideau (father of Bob Robideau) and Ida Robideau (mother of Steve and Jim Robideau).
Any info you can contact me at ([e-mail]) wopida, adam.
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to Access the Probates:
contact [e-mail]
and request copies. it will cost you $15 for 1-15 pages copied, then 75 cents per additional page copy.
give her the persoon(s) name(s),tribal affiliation and when they died.You can pay with credit card or check.
Look in the church records section of our website for baptismal records.

[wacintanka]

Does anybody know if the picture of Little Thunder is Tatewinorca's brother, Simon Wakanhdiptecena? The picture was in 1904 and he died 1910 at age 81 so he would be around 75 years old. The picture is here under the Sioux Pictures board and then under Sisseton and then titled Little Thunder 1904.

[Vicky]

Little Thunder was also known as Adam Wakinyancigadan. I have much info on him at Lake Traverse rez. He was married to Susan/ Pawastewin. Both his English and Indian names can be found together on the 1887 SW land allotments on p. 1.

[rivas98349]

May 11, 2010 14:27:36 GMT -5 wacintanka said:

MCINTOSH: thank so much for the probate report

HERMIN : Do you know how to access probate reports and baptismal reports?

Here is info i have on descendents of Oliver Robidoux (son of Madeline Dumarce).

Francois Dumarce and Tatewinorca had Madeline Dumarce who married Magloire Robideaux
who had Oliver Robidoux who married Francis Bellenger (daughter of White Earth Chippewa-
Shayshaywegeshig) who had William Robideau who married Anna Jane Jetty (granddaughter
of WahpetonSioux -Hunkawin) who had Loretta Robideau (my grandmother) and Alvina Robideau (mother of Leonard Peltier) and William Robideau (father of Bob Robideau) and Ida Robideau (mother of Steve and Jim Robideau).
Any info you can contact me at ([e-mail]) wopida, adam.
____________
to Access the Probates:
contact [e-mail]
and request copies. it will cost you $15 for 1-15 pages copied, then 75 cents per additional page copy.
give her the persoon(s) name(s),tribal affiliation and when they died.You can pay with credit card or check.
Look in the church records section of our website for baptismal records.

[rivas98349]

Hi, I am Patricias' Grandaughter. William and Ann were supposed of had 17 children total, My grandmother is third to the youngest-there was a set of twins afterward-which Tommy passed away in a car accident and the sister was adopted out. Oliver and Frances are Williams Parents. He was mostly raised by his mother in Minnesota. This is some of the information I know from listening to my grandmother and other elders and also having to find information for the indian trust. Also thank you for the "Access to Probates" information. Someone has contacted my grandmother in regards to this...and I have no clue what its for-throughout all the years I have been caring for my grandmother-shes received a $50-$300 check every other year and has received two checks for under $1000 within the past 12 years. Recently she received information wanting all information on her siblings and all of their IIM Account #s..what is that? where do I get that information from? and how are other natives supposed to understand this or get this information...www.indiantrust.com is complicated.

[hermin1]

rivas98349,welcome to our website.
What is the full name of Patricia,your grandmother.
You will need to ask your grandmother from whom she is receiving the checks from.
Also find out from her,who is asking for the information on her siblings, and their IIM Accounts? if the person called her by phone,tell your grandmother, Don't give that person the information.
I will find out for you what these Accounts are,and post the link to the information here.The office of Special indian Trust accounts will never ask you for information on your Individual Indian Money Account.if they should need information they will write you a formal letter.

Here is the link: www.iltf.org/resources/individual-indian-monies-statement-of-account


rivas98349: The above office is open Mon-Friday 7AM to 6 PM (Mountain time)and Saturday from
8AM to 12 Noon (Mountain Time).
the Phone NO. is 1-888-678-6836

[rivas98349]

Thank you for the information. We are currently working on everything needed. My Grandmother is Patricia Lorraine Robideau Bear. Thanks again